The transcripts of the Grand Jury testimonies about the shooting of unarmed teenager Michael Brown by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson.

It is also a recorded statement of

I do not have a transcript of this statement. And so at this time I can have I will have you pause the recording, but if you can transcribe what you are hearing and we can make a record of that then.

MS. It is 6:26 p.m. on October 13th. This is special agent at FBI building at 2222 Market Street. I am with DOJ trial attorney , and USA here to interview. Will you state your name.

MS. MS. And , will you spell your name?

MS. last name, MS. You just listened to your recorded statement and is the birthday and social security number correct that you gave the detective?

MS. Yes. MS. Okay.

, before we get into some additional questions that we have, I just wanted to just go over some preliminary stuff with you.

When we ask you a question, if for some reason you don't understand the question or you are confused by our asking it, feel free to stop us because we are going to assume that you understood when you answer it. And sometimes we trip over our words and don't make sense anyway, so don't think that you are insulting us by correcting us.

MS. Okay.

And all your answers need to be out loud because it is being recorded. There may be a transcript made. So if you nod your head, I may ask is that a yes or is that a no.

MS. Yes.

So it is totally normal to do that. If I do that, I'm not doing that to you to be rude, okay?

And just referenced that you just listened to your statement is about 8 and a half minutes long. We have a transcript that you are following along with. Do you remember hearing that statement and is it fair as much as you remember with what you said?

MS. Yes.

Okay. And so we don't want to really make you rehash everything, we just wanted to ask you some follow-up questions from it. You know, everybody has a piece of the puzzle so to speak. We know you only saw, you know, the beginning and the end, we don't want you to think that we're looking for anything and everything possible, just what you, yourself, know, okay.

So, therefore, we just have some follow-up things for you. And one of the reasons we wanted you to listen to your statement is because it has been seven and a half weeks and as you know, this has been on the news and people talk a lot about it, but our goal is to find out what you, yourself, know, not what you may have heard on the news.

So a lot of times it helps to refresh your memory and kind of separate out what you said at the time and what you, yourself, versus what you may have heard based upon the news or the police report, does that make sense?

MS. Yes.

Okay. Also, we know it is late, you came here from work. At any point you think I've had enough, even though you're in the FBI, feel free to say I've had enough, I don't want to talk any more being, okay?

MS. Okay.

This is entirely voluntary. We certainly don't want to force you to be here. Basically we are just looking for what happened and the truth.

So we have to tell you as I tell everybody that, it's a crime to make false statements to federal agents. So we always say people are very honest people. If you're going to exaggerate or lie, you are better off not saying anything at all then like a lie, okay?

MS. Okay.

And so basically, like I said we just want to know what happened. If you assume something or you're guessing at something, or you're talking about what other people heard, that's fine as long as you let us know that you are assuming, okay?

MS. Okay.

We just really want to know what you know and what you remember. If you don't remember something, it is fine to say you don't remember it. If you don't know the answer, I don't know is a perfectly acceptable answer if you truly do not know.

MS. Okay.

All right. So I just want to, uh, so I have some follow-up questions based upon the original statement that you gave. You had said that initially you saw kind of the beginning of the action, correct?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And then looking in your rear view mirror you ultimately saw the end where Michael Brown ultimately fell and died; is that correct?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

At the time did you know Michael Brown?

MS. No, ma'am.

You have since learned the individual who died is that victim, is that fair to say?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Have you since given your statement, you described the thing, the guy that was with him with the dreads, that is how you described him, do you know his name or do you

MS. No, ma'am, I actually, I have heard of his name, but I forgot.

That is fine. We will just keep referring to him as the guy with the dreads.

MS. Okay.

We will refer to Michael Brown by his name, is that fair?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

If I do that, will you understand who we are referring to?

MS. Yes.

So, you had said in your initial statement that you were driving behind the police car SUV; is that correct?

MS. Yes.

Who else was in the car with you.

MS. One of our friends.

And who is that? MS. His name is , I don't know the last name.

Okay. And was there anybody else in the car with you?

MS. No, ma'am.

And when you were driving, do you remember if your windows were up or down?

MS. They were down.

And you had mentioned that, urn, that the SUV stopped on the side of the two individuals of Michael Brown and the individual with the dreads; is that correct?

MS. Yes.

Okay. And you said, once, uh, once the vehicle was stopped, can you describe, do you remember, urn, you described that tussle, do you remember how it started?

MS. Urn, actually, like I said, as I was behind the police officer, I noticed that he did stop because I was directly behind him, so I had to slow down also.

Okay. MS. In the process of up to two young men walking, Michael Brown and the friend with the dreads walking down the street, he did stop.

Okay. MS. Like I said, I don't know what was said, I didn't hear anything, my radio was down and my windows was down.

Your windows was down, was your radio on?

MS. At the time, yes, ma'am, but once we stopped, I wanted to know what was going on so I did turn my radio all the way down.

Okay. MS. It was completely down.

Now, you mention that you don't know what was said, is there anything that gives you the indication, anything that you saw that you thought something was said?

MS. Actually, just by the car just rocking back and forth.

Okay. MS. And that was it. But no, ma'am, I didn't hear anything.

Before the car started rocking back and forth, did you see any sort of interaction between the guy with the dreads, Michael Brown and the police officer?

MS. Actually, I did not because how my car sits and how tall the truck was, so I didn't see directly what was going on inside.

So from your vantage point as soon as you stopped, what's the first thing that you remember seeing?

MS. Urn, I just remember the car just stopping.

Okay. MS. And the two, the two young men, just, I didn't see them. So they was kind of out of my vision at the time.

Okay. At the time that's when you said you looked under and you saw feet moving, kind of tapping?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Okay. And you also said that the guy with the dreads looked like he didn't know what was going on, what do you mean by that?

MS. Actually, what I mean by that is because had he like proceeded to go, he came back out.

So the recording can't pick that up, you are kind of saying, you said he proceeded to go, you we are taking about the guy with the dreads?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

He proceeded to go, he was going toward the police car?

MS. He was actually, it looks like he wanted some help.

Okay. MS. But then, I don't want help. It was like back and forth. It happened so fast.

He moved forward really quickly and moved backward.

MS. He moved back and his eyes kind of got a little big, a little big.

Okay. And that's what he looked like, the guy with the dreads didn't know what was going on?

MS. Yes, ma'am. Like probably knew what was going on, but you know, probably didn't, you know, something like that.

So looks like he was going forward and then stops, like changing his mind now?

MS. Yes, ma'am, like he's shocked.

While this is going on, were you able to see Michael Brown?

MS. No, ma'am, I still wasn't able to see him.

But you saw his feet at that point; is that correct?

MS. Yes, ma'am, I saw a pair of feet just like tapping.

Okay. Do you know whose feet it was?

MS. Actually, to be honest, no, ma'am, but I can say the young man with the dreads was towards the back, he was towards the back once I saw come in and out, I just figured that he was towards the back of the truck and wasn't so close to the driver's side of the door.

Okay. So the only two people on the street you saw Michael Brown and the guy with the dreads?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And so since you're describing the other guy with the dreads, the only other person's feet that could have been was Michael Brown?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Okay. So you describe what you saw these feet they were like moving and tapping, and you said some kind of confrontation?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Why do you say confrontation? MS. Just because of how feet was moving, how the truck was rocking walking.

Okay. MS. The vehicle was rocking.

What about how it was rocking? MS. It was just like side by side.

And this is while the police officer is still in the driver's side?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Okay. And then you said that the guy with the dreads is looking to see what was going on. What do did you mean by that?

MS. Actually, what I mean by that because, like I said, he was kind of, like he wanted to go, but he don't.

Like he wanted to go towards the vehicle?

MS. Towards, probably try to help, you know.

Did you actually see what he was doing?

MS. Uh, yes, ma'am, like back and forth.

Okay. And then while you are describing all of this, this tussling is still going on between Michael Brown and the police officer as far as you can tell?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

That's when you heard the gunshot go off?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And then you said that the suspect got shot back up, you talking about Michael Brown when you said that?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

You said the suspect got shot, what about, what made you say that he got shot?

MS. Actually, I just heard the gunshots. It was just like when I heard the gun go off, he kind of like came off of the truck.

Okay. MS. So that's what made me think at the time that he probably was hit at the time.

And then, how were you able to see when Michael Brown backed up, were you able to see him?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And why were you able to see him, what move allowed from your vantage point to see him?

MS. Actually, at this time the truck had kind of came back a little bit more, came back on like hit on the brakes a little bit more. I don't know if he was trying to run or not because actually I couldn't see over that way.

Can you point out for me a little bit, so Michael Brown, you were able to see him?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Right after the shot because he backed up?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And that was because the truck moved a little bit?

MS. Actually, when he backed up, he kind of backed, at this time he backed all the way up from a distance to where I can just see his body.

Okay. MS. Like back up.

Okay. MS. You know.

You talking about him backing away from the side of the police car?

MS. Yes, sir.

The police vehicle? MS. Yes, sir.

Okay. Then you said he looked amazed?

MS. Like he was shocked, yes ma'am.

And then you said, urn, that they both, the guy with the dreads and Michael Brown then ran towards to find out what was happening.

MS. Yes, ma'am.

At this point is when you start ducking; is that right?

MS. Right. After I heard the first shot and I see Michael Brown jump out of the car, yes, ma'am, I was terrified. When they start running because actually, they ran past my car, so I didn't know what was going on.

And that makes sense. They are running past your car and you just heard gunshots and you were terrified?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

You started to duck, correct? MS. Yes, ma'am.

You said you were able to see that the police officer ran past as well, correct?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And was there a pause between the time that the boys started running past you and the police officer?

MS. There actually was. Just because we was trying to get out of the truck at the time. So once we took off running, once Michael Brown and the guy with the dreads took off running, that's when I noticed the police comes out.

Okay. So there was a little bit of a break?

MS. Yes, ma'am, just enough time to open up the car door.

For you to open up the car door?

MS. No, no, for the police officer to open the car door and get out.

Did you actually see him open up the car door?

MS. I could not see from the other side of the car.

Okay. MS. But once he came from away from the car in my view where I can actually see him.

You already were down inside the vehicle?

MS. Yes, ma'am, at that time I was down.

At any point did you open your car door?

MS. Oh, no, ma'am, I did not open up my driver's side of the car.

How about , did he open his door?

MS. Yes, ma'am, he did.

Do you know why? MS. Actually to get down. We were scared, terrified. I mean, I can't tell why he did it, but I know he was hanging outside of the car trying to get, you know, shelter or whatnot.

Okay. And so you said that once you saw the police officer kind of go past you, you said you instantly ducked. (inaudible)

MS. Yes, ma'am, I was down, my whole head was in the passenger seat. So I'm almost on lap.

Okay. Obviously, you are terrified.

MS. Yes, ma'am, my hand is on the steering wheel, my feet is on the brake, I couldn't even put my car in park, that's how quick it happened and I just ducked down.

Okay. So you are not looking out the window at this point?

MS. No, ma'am, no, ma'am, I blacked out just a little bit. And then, yeah, just --I blacked out just a little bit. I mean, I don't know why, but I did.

And you don't how long you blacked out for?

MS. Actually, it was for a short period of time because once I proceeded to sit up and I looked out my rear view mirror, that's when I saw the end, when actually him running, his back was turned and he turned around.

I'm going to ask you, that part that you blacked out, you don't know what went on from the time

MS. No, ma'am, because I'm down.

Right. MS. Because I'm down.

As you describe it as blacked out.

MS. Right.

Okay. And so you don't know what went on prior to the time where Michael Brown turned around?

MS. Actually, I was up at that time, yes, ma'am.

While he was on the ground? MS. Yes, ma'am. MS. Okay. But leading up to that?

MS. Leading up to that, no, he's running from him with his back from him, with his back from him.

All right. MS. I do know that.

But you didn't see any of this go on because you were ducking?

MS. I was ducking as the police officer came towards my car, I got down, yes, ma'am.

Okay. And you heard that initial shot from the SUV, correct?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And then you heard, as you describe, those three shots at the end?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Okay. And you describe that the guy with the dreads came over to the passenger side of your car trying to get in?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And now where in what you just described in the ducking and the blacking out and the looking back up, at what point did the guy with the dreads come over to the car?

MS. Actually, when I did go out for a little bit, like I said, I just blanked out a little bit, but when I was down, I did open up my eyes. I was still down, and that's when I saw the young man with the dreads, where had the door open, he had it slung open. He was on the curb, but he had --he crawled. You could tell that he crawled. He was in the car and he just basically asked me could I get him away from here because it is crazy.

Is that what he said? MS. Yes, ma'am.

Get me away from here, it's crazy?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Do you have a two-door car? MS. Yes, ma'am.

So when passenger door is kind of opened?

MS. It's opened wide.

Okay. MS. Uh-huh.

So the guy with the dreads kind of crawled over?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

What was your response to him? MS. Actually, I told him to get down. That's all I had, I mean, that was the only thing that came to my mind, just get down.

Okay. And then Obviously, you didn't let the guy with the dreads in your car?

MS. No, sir, I did not.

Why was it that you wouldn't let him in your car?

MS. Actually, I didn't know what was going on for one and I was actually, didn't have a clue if he had or who had it, I just didn't know. It wasn't something that I was willing to do.

If he had what? MS. Actually, I didn't know if he had a gun, I didn't know what was going on.

You didn't know what was going on?

MS. Actually, I didn't know what was going.

And so for that reason you didn't allow the guys with the dreads in the car with you?

MS. Yes, sir. MS. Do you know if he stayed there or he went elsewhere?

MS. Actually, just for a few minutes, just for a few minutes, like I said, after I told him no, he disappeared.

Now, I don't know where he went, I wasn't focusing on him. I was trying to see what was going on.

So I was trying to ask you this, when he said to you get me out of here, it is crazy, and you said, get down. Did he say anything else?

MS. No, ma'am, he did not.

Did you guys say you can't get in the car?

MS. No, ma'am, I did not, get down, that was it.

Okay. Did you know that he wanted to get in the car?

MS. Actually, just by what he said, the statement that he made to me.

I guess what I'm trying to figure out is, how did you let him know that you weren't letting him in the car?

MS. Actually, for one, I wasn't moving it at the time.

Okay. MS. So he wasn't going to go anywhere anyway.

Did say anything to him? MS. No, just get down. We both just hollered the same thing, get down.

Okay. All right. At some point you looked up and you were looking in your rear view mirror?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

So everything that you observed after that was with regard to Michael Brown and the police officer was through your rear view mirror?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And your review mirror is for reverse, correct?

MS. Is it reverse?

I don't want to misstate it.


MS. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah.

(Inaudible) So when you are looking in your review mirror, you said you saw the male turn around and basically stop, this is Michael Brown, correct.

MS. Yes, ma'am.

That's when you heard two or three more gunshots, and Michael Brown went down to the ground.

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And then after that you, you drive away?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

You describe yourself at that point, were you still terrified?

MS. My leg was shaking.

Okay. And so how did you manage to driveway then?

MS. With , just calm me down, my legs were moving.

Okay. MS. And I just cried because, like I said, I've never seen nothing like that in my life.

Okay. And so you describe and you drove away, urn, and there was another truck, do you mean a police SUV.

MS. Yes, ma'am. In the process of me, after the incident had happened, probably about two or three cars pulled up and they came towards my car. So I had to basically yell, like somebody is in here, you know, because he was real, real close.

So just so I can understand. So you started to drive away and as you were driving

MS. No, actually at this time, I didn't even get a chance to even move at this time. They were coming towards the way, towards me.

You were stopped in the middle of street because you had to stop?

MS. Yes, ma'am, right at the curb, yes, ma'am.

Okay. MS. Right by the complex.

And then you drove away? MS. Yes, ma'am, I did.

All right. How did it come to you that you then met with the St. Louis County Police Detective?

MS. Actually, I stay in that area at the time and my mom basically, basically got the news. So she came to see was her daughter okay. So in the process of seeing was her daughter okay, I was up in the house, the house is right before you get to Canfield Green.

Okay. MS. And one of the young men, like I said, I don't know nobody over there or whatnot, but he the one that brought the police to me. The FBI, like I said, I don't know but they were the ones in the car, I guess. Somebody was out there and probably remember my car or something because he came directly to me.

The police did? MS. The FBI,

Okay. He's St. Louis County. MS. Okay, okay, the detective.

So he came to you? MS. Yes, ma'am. I was on the front of the neighbors. I don't even know the people, but they stayed in the house right there.

Okay. You said something about brought him to you?

MS. Actually, a young man, I mean, like I said, I don't know anybody that stays in Canfield Green. I didn't know him exactly.

What do you mean exactly? MS. I've probably seen him like around in the complex, but I don't know him. As talking to him on like a daily basis.

Okay. Is it fair to say that what you know that happened that day is limited to that initial, you describe the confrontation or tussle at the car, correct?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

And then you saw through your rear view mirror at the end when Michael Brown was facing the police officer, you heard the shots and he went down to the ground?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Okay. Just to be clear, you heard that first shot when the tussle was going on at the side of the police SUV?

MS. Yes, sir.

And you saw those final two or three shots?

MS. Yes, sir.

There wasn't any other shots in between?

MS. Not to my knowledge. I'm just going to be honest, that's probably when I was blacked out.

Okay. MS. Once, I raised up --

And you mentioned, I know that that you were ducked down, and you basically was trying to get down as low as you could, is that fair.

MS. Yes, sir.

But you mention that you were able to see the police officer run by your car?

MS. Yes, sir.

And could you tell at that time where his gun was or could you see any of that?

MS. Actually, when he ran by it was drawn.

Okay. Did he have it at his side?

MS. No, he had it drawn up toward, I'm going to say aimed.

Okay. But at that time you didn't hear any other shots?

MS. Not to my knowledge.

You want to take a break? We can we take a break. MS. Yeah, I have a couple of questions.

If we with can, we will take a break for just a second.

MS. Sure. I am going to leave this on because it makes it easier, okay?

MS. Okay.

You mentioned early on you turned the radio down to see if you could hear anything?

MS. Yes.

Anything, you hear anything from Michael Brown or the officer or the guy with the dreads, other than what you've described?

MS. No, ma'am.

Okay. And right after that first shot when you said Michael Brown stepped back and what did he do right after that?

MS. He took off running.

Okay. Did he go back to his car, did you see him briefly going toward the car or did he immediately run away?

MS. He immediately took off running down the street.

Was there anything else, ? MS. Sorry.

The guy with the dreads? MS. You say you saw Michael Brown, you saw the guy with the dreads just when took a step back, you saw him look?

MS. Yes, ma'am. MS. When he came back, what, did he just stay there, did he move?

MS. No, actually, when he went forward, then he came back, he actually took off.

MS. Okay. MS. He starts to take off to get away.

MS. But your focus is still on that car?

MS. Yes, ma'am. MS. Now, when he took off to get away, was it before or after the gunshot?

MS. It was after, it was right after.

MS. Okay. MS. It was right after the first shot.

MS. You see the guy with the dreads?

MS. Okay. MS. Go in like, and then come back?

MS. Uh-huh. MS. Gunshot, or does he come back? At what point was the gunshot?

MS. Actually, it was the shot and then it was like back, once he came forward, it was like back.

MS. You saw both of them at the same time?

MS. No, ma'am. I saw the one with the dreads come back. Now, that's when, when he came back and he kind of like hesitant, that's when I saw Michael Brown.

MS. Okay. MS. At the car and then that's when they proceed to take off.

MS. Together. MS. Actually, the one with the dreads kind of got away just a little bit extra.

MS. Okay.

Okay. When is next time you see the guy with the dreads then?

MS. After I saw him on the side of the car, on the news.

Okay. MS. On the news.

We don't have any more questions for you. I just want to ask you, is there anything that you want to add that we think we should know that we haven't asked you or they didn't ask you that day?

MS. No, ma'am.

You feel like you have given us all the information that you know?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Anything you think is important that we've missed at all?

MS. Uh, not to my knowledge. I gave you all I have.

Okay. Do you think we have treated you fairly?

MS. Yes, ma'am.

Did we force you to say anything that you didn't want to say?

MS. No.

We didn't make you any promises about anything?

MS. No.

Okay. So you feel comfortable? MS. Yes.

Well, thank you so much for your time, we appreciate it.

MS. We will end the interview.

(That was the end of the interview.)

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